Some Random 5-Draw and Holdem Thoughts
I played for a couple of hours this morning and won a little bit. I was playing 1 table of $3/$6 holdem and 1 table of $1/$2 5-Draw.
The holdem table started out really badly. In my first BB, I had AKs. The CO limped (and is a fairly weak/passive player that I've played with a few times), I raised, he called. I flopped a king and eventually lost to his set of Ks. It's pretty funny that he slow-played me until the river, cause he almost surely could have won more with it against my TPTK. I then lost a pot with AA vs. AJs when the other guy rivered a 3rd jack. Then I went against JJ with my AK an a KJxxx board and lost a good amount. I was down about $100 and things were looking grim. I was picking up decent starting hands but they weren't going anywhere. And when they did go somewhere somebody always seemed to have a set on me. Then I ended up flopping a set on a K-high board with 44 in a 3-way pot and getting called down in 2 spots (both with KQ). Then I actually won with KK, AA and QQ. I booked a small $30 win and decided to quit while I was ahead.
As far as a random donkey play, some guy chewed me out for capping preflop with AQs. There were 4 or 5 limpers, and I raised with the AsQs in the cutoff. The UTG limper raised me. Normally this is indicative of a super-pair (AA or KK), but this guy had been limping a lot and I had been raising him a lot and I thought he might be starting to get frustrated. All the limpers called, then I capped it. The UTG limp-raiser had the 5h6h, and I actually had the best hand preflop. The final result really isn't important, what's important is that AQs is the type of hand that plays really well when you're in position and in a large multiway pot.
Here's the way I see it with AQs -- the more multiway, the later my position, and the more bets I can put in preflop, the better. Not only that, but it has an effect in hands other than the current one. If you only cap preflop with AA, KK, QQ and AK, people will start to realize it and it will make their decisions easier. This is not ideal, so I like to 4-bet some other hands as well. Especially in a great situation like this -- becuase a lot of your opponents can't tell the difference between this pot and a heads up pot or some other totally different situation. They just think: "this is the idiot who caps a limp-raiser with AQ." One of the idiot limpers said something like "nice cap preflop buddy." I really love that somebody can have that poor of an understanding of the game, yet he lectures other people about how to play. He was probably just pissed about the fact that he had to put in 4 bets preflop with his J9o.
I also won a little bit playing the ole' $1/$2 5-Draw this morning. I then played some 5-Draw tonight also and won a little bit. I must be running really good in this game, cause it seems ridiculously easy. You have people in these games who will limp in any position with any pair, and who will limp with any 1 card draw (to a pat hand). Tonight, I saw a guy call a raise in a multiway pot and draw 4 cards! Seriously! I also saw a guy raise on the button, get called by both blinds, then draw 5 cards. Suppose you really want to steal a pot like this but you get caught. Don't you at least have to try to represent something by drawing 2, 1 or maybe even staying pat and betting after the draw (unless, of course, you end up with something that can actually win at showdown)? Drawing 5 here is horrible. Unless you're really trying to mind-fuck your opponents or something, which I don't think was the case since this guy left shortly after.
Another thing is that I still need is to learn how to bluff after the draw. I've only done it a few times, and I've been successful every time. Obviously, I'm probably not doing it enough if I'm never getting called.
I'm going to bed now. Hopefully I'll play more 5-Draw tomorrow.
The holdem table started out really badly. In my first BB, I had AKs. The CO limped (and is a fairly weak/passive player that I've played with a few times), I raised, he called. I flopped a king and eventually lost to his set of Ks. It's pretty funny that he slow-played me until the river, cause he almost surely could have won more with it against my TPTK. I then lost a pot with AA vs. AJs when the other guy rivered a 3rd jack. Then I went against JJ with my AK an a KJxxx board and lost a good amount. I was down about $100 and things were looking grim. I was picking up decent starting hands but they weren't going anywhere. And when they did go somewhere somebody always seemed to have a set on me. Then I ended up flopping a set on a K-high board with 44 in a 3-way pot and getting called down in 2 spots (both with KQ). Then I actually won with KK, AA and QQ. I booked a small $30 win and decided to quit while I was ahead.
As far as a random donkey play, some guy chewed me out for capping preflop with AQs. There were 4 or 5 limpers, and I raised with the AsQs in the cutoff. The UTG limper raised me. Normally this is indicative of a super-pair (AA or KK), but this guy had been limping a lot and I had been raising him a lot and I thought he might be starting to get frustrated. All the limpers called, then I capped it. The UTG limp-raiser had the 5h6h, and I actually had the best hand preflop. The final result really isn't important, what's important is that AQs is the type of hand that plays really well when you're in position and in a large multiway pot.
Here's the way I see it with AQs -- the more multiway, the later my position, and the more bets I can put in preflop, the better. Not only that, but it has an effect in hands other than the current one. If you only cap preflop with AA, KK, QQ and AK, people will start to realize it and it will make their decisions easier. This is not ideal, so I like to 4-bet some other hands as well. Especially in a great situation like this -- becuase a lot of your opponents can't tell the difference between this pot and a heads up pot or some other totally different situation. They just think: "this is the idiot who caps a limp-raiser with AQ." One of the idiot limpers said something like "nice cap preflop buddy." I really love that somebody can have that poor of an understanding of the game, yet he lectures other people about how to play. He was probably just pissed about the fact that he had to put in 4 bets preflop with his J9o.
I also won a little bit playing the ole' $1/$2 5-Draw this morning. I then played some 5-Draw tonight also and won a little bit. I must be running really good in this game, cause it seems ridiculously easy. You have people in these games who will limp in any position with any pair, and who will limp with any 1 card draw (to a pat hand). Tonight, I saw a guy call a raise in a multiway pot and draw 4 cards! Seriously! I also saw a guy raise on the button, get called by both blinds, then draw 5 cards. Suppose you really want to steal a pot like this but you get caught. Don't you at least have to try to represent something by drawing 2, 1 or maybe even staying pat and betting after the draw (unless, of course, you end up with something that can actually win at showdown)? Drawing 5 here is horrible. Unless you're really trying to mind-fuck your opponents or something, which I don't think was the case since this guy left shortly after.
Another thing is that I still need is to learn how to bluff after the draw. I've only done it a few times, and I've been successful every time. Obviously, I'm probably not doing it enough if I'm never getting called.
I'm going to bed now. Hopefully I'll play more 5-Draw tomorrow.
posted by the_real_zano at 3:12 AM
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