A Terrible 5-Draw Play and a Bad Omaha Play
I was awoken tonight at about 3am and decided to spend a couple hours at the tables. I played a couple of SNGs, some 5-Draw, and some PLO.
In the SNGs I ended up losing with A2o vs. KTs and with JJ vs. QQ.
In 5-Draw I won a little bit, but I was privvy to what I think is the worst play I've ever seen. Or at least very close to it. Here's the hand: UTG limps, CO folds, button raises, SB calls, I call in the BB with KKxxx, UTG raises, button caps, SB folds, I fold. UTG takes 2, button is pat. UTG check-calls with AAA and loses to the button's 88887.
How do you not draw a card to quads here? He almost has to win AT LEAST 2 bets against the limper's AAA here post-draw if he takes a card. I can't think of any reason you'd want to stand pat here other than to induce a check-raise after the draw when your opponent happens to fill up. But this happens so rarely. And UTG obviously has trips when he draws two, so he will probably lead into you after the draw when you draw 1 -- especially with high trips.
You simply have to draw a card here if you want to get any action after the draw from anything less than a full hand. And since your opponent drew 2 he's unlikely to end up with a full hand. And your hand cannot get any better or worse by drawing.
Somebody explain this play to me. I just don't get it.
I'm also playing some $1-$1 Pot Limit Omaha. I'm so freakin' card-dead. I need to go back to bed soon. Ok good, I just won a decent pot by calling a weird bet on the river with the 2nd nut flush. Here's the hand:
UTG limps, I get dealt AsJsKcJc UTG+1. Sometimes I raise in this situation sometimes I don't. I decide to limp. 2 more limpers come in, both blinds check. Flop comes Td5c2s, all check to me. Since I've been really card-dead (thus have not been betting and winning pots) and this is a pretty terrible-looking flop, I decide to take a shot with my overpair and bet $4 (pot was $6). All fold, UTG calls.
At this point I'm basically done with the hand unless I hit a jack for trips or runners for a full hand. My opponent almost has to have 2 pair or 34xx. Of course, he could just be a moron and have only top pair or something, but people that bad are pretty rare. I don't know this guy yet, so I have to assume he has me beat at this point. Turn comes 7c, UTG checks. I decide to check (to avoid a check-raise), since I now would have a decent number of outs against 2 pair and I don't want to face a large raise that I can't call.
River is the 9c, giving me the 3rd nuts. My opponent leads out for the pot, $14. Having a hand close to the nuts is a great way to get yourself into trouble in Omaha. My opponent could easily have 346c8c or T2AcXc or something. That's why I think Pot Limit Omaha is such an interesting game. All the reading ability in the world usually will only help you figure out 2 of your opponents cards. All kinds of sneaky shit can happen with those other 2 cards. Since most people try to "sell" the nuts on the river for cheaper, I decide to look him up and get shown Ts5s4s3c for flopped two pair + open-ender.
This is another classic "play it wrong on every street" hand. Limp UTG with Ts5s4s3c? Horribly wrong. Check-call on the T52 rainbow flop with top two and open-ender? Very wrong again. If you're playing the T534, this is your dream flop and you need to go ape shit with it. Virtually every other hand in existence has at least 5 outs against you and will probably pick up more outs on the turn if you don't improve. Check the turn when some draws show up? Wrong, but not too terrible. Pot-bet the river when you can only get called by a better hand and your hand has decent showdown value? Wrong.
Ok, enough ranting. I really need to sleep now.
In the SNGs I ended up losing with A2o vs. KTs and with JJ vs. QQ.
In 5-Draw I won a little bit, but I was privvy to what I think is the worst play I've ever seen. Or at least very close to it. Here's the hand: UTG limps, CO folds, button raises, SB calls, I call in the BB with KKxxx, UTG raises, button caps, SB folds, I fold. UTG takes 2, button is pat. UTG check-calls with AAA and loses to the button's 88887.
How do you not draw a card to quads here? He almost has to win AT LEAST 2 bets against the limper's AAA here post-draw if he takes a card. I can't think of any reason you'd want to stand pat here other than to induce a check-raise after the draw when your opponent happens to fill up. But this happens so rarely. And UTG obviously has trips when he draws two, so he will probably lead into you after the draw when you draw 1 -- especially with high trips.
You simply have to draw a card here if you want to get any action after the draw from anything less than a full hand. And since your opponent drew 2 he's unlikely to end up with a full hand. And your hand cannot get any better or worse by drawing.
Somebody explain this play to me. I just don't get it.
I'm also playing some $1-$1 Pot Limit Omaha. I'm so freakin' card-dead. I need to go back to bed soon. Ok good, I just won a decent pot by calling a weird bet on the river with the 2nd nut flush. Here's the hand:
UTG limps, I get dealt AsJsKcJc UTG+1. Sometimes I raise in this situation sometimes I don't. I decide to limp. 2 more limpers come in, both blinds check. Flop comes Td5c2s, all check to me. Since I've been really card-dead (thus have not been betting and winning pots) and this is a pretty terrible-looking flop, I decide to take a shot with my overpair and bet $4 (pot was $6). All fold, UTG calls.
At this point I'm basically done with the hand unless I hit a jack for trips or runners for a full hand. My opponent almost has to have 2 pair or 34xx. Of course, he could just be a moron and have only top pair or something, but people that bad are pretty rare. I don't know this guy yet, so I have to assume he has me beat at this point. Turn comes 7c, UTG checks. I decide to check (to avoid a check-raise), since I now would have a decent number of outs against 2 pair and I don't want to face a large raise that I can't call.
River is the 9c, giving me the 3rd nuts. My opponent leads out for the pot, $14. Having a hand close to the nuts is a great way to get yourself into trouble in Omaha. My opponent could easily have 346c8c or T2AcXc or something. That's why I think Pot Limit Omaha is such an interesting game. All the reading ability in the world usually will only help you figure out 2 of your opponents cards. All kinds of sneaky shit can happen with those other 2 cards. Since most people try to "sell" the nuts on the river for cheaper, I decide to look him up and get shown Ts5s4s3c for flopped two pair + open-ender.
This is another classic "play it wrong on every street" hand. Limp UTG with Ts5s4s3c? Horribly wrong. Check-call on the T52 rainbow flop with top two and open-ender? Very wrong again. If you're playing the T534, this is your dream flop and you need to go ape shit with it. Virtually every other hand in existence has at least 5 outs against you and will probably pick up more outs on the turn if you don't improve. Check the turn when some draws show up? Wrong, but not too terrible. Pot-bet the river when you can only get called by a better hand and your hand has decent showdown value? Wrong.
Ok, enough ranting. I really need to sleep now.
posted by the_real_zano at 4:35 AM
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